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ben bernanke gave this situation the name fiscal cliff which sounds very dramatic and very scary. but what it is is an act of congress that they actually voted for. 174 republicans voted for this law that would then take effect on january 1st with all these spending cuts in it, and democrats -- 95 democrats in the house voted for it, 74 votes for it in the united states senate, and now congress is afraid of actually going through something that it voted for to occur on january 1st because it all feels too dramatic to them. and so there's something very peculiar. the crisis that congress is facing is can they undo something that they voted for, and can they undo it by new year's eve? >> it's irony and paradox upon irony. remember the reason the fiscal cliff is supposed to be so dangerous and the reason why so many people in washington are worried about the fiscal cliff is it's too much deficit reduction too fast. so all of this takes place against a debate about how to reduce the budget deficit. that's why you get into this theater of the absurd. >> well, and look at the tape you s
ben bernanke gave this situation the name fiscal cliff which sounds very dramatic and very scary. but what it is is an act of congress that they actually voted for. 174 republicans voted for this law that would then take effect on january 1st with all these spending cuts in it, and democrats -- 95 democrats in the house voted for it, 74 votes for it in the united states senate, and now congress is afraid of actually going through something that it voted for to occur on january 1st because it...
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one of the reasons we are at the fiscal cliff is the republican resolution was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house, so who cared about everything stacked against them. the main proble w obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and romney was the best of a very weak field. he himself was a very odd candidate. after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and a man whose essential issue of the 2010 campaign was obamacare, but he had passed something similar in massachusetts. he had two strikes against him, whichade it very diffilt begins the difficult rigid discipline obama to win. >> i think obama won because republicans underestimated him, and they did it through sell collision that goes back to 2010 when they considered this to be a referendum on barack obama. it was not a referendum on barack obama. it was a referendum on the economy and the incumbent, but not barack obama the person. republicans left the race feeling like this would be a slam-dunk in 2012. they missed the fact that the turnout in 2010
one of the reasons we are at the fiscal cliff is the republican resolution was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house, so who cared about everything stacked against them. the main proble w obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and romney was the best of a very weak field. he himself was a very odd candidate. after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and a man whose essential issue of the 2010 campaign was...
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e of the reasons we were at the fiscal cliff wasas because the republican resolution of the debt crisis of 2011 was under the tacit assumption that they would control the white house who cares about everything stacked ainst them? i think the main cause was obama ran an absolutely brilliant campaign. republicans had a very weak field, and mitt romney was the best of a vy weak field, and he himself was an odd candidate, a given after the financial crisis, a man essentially of wall street, and also a man who was an essential issue of the 2010 campaign, where republicans have succeeded was obamacare but he had had something similar in massachusetts. he had two strikes against him whwhich made it very difficult against the disciplined obama to win. >> i think obama won because the republicans underestimated him anand they did i three -- did it through a litt self delususion that goes back to 2010 when they considered this to be a referendum on barack obama. it was not a referdum on barack obama. it was a referendum on the economy and the incumbentnt, but not barack obama the person. republic
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cliff negotiations but given that he and democrats have put everything they can on the table and republicans still won't compromise what hope is there in striking a deal that doesn't leave the middle class high and dry and later the fuels for newtown connecticut victims may have finally ended but unfortunately funerals for gun victims in america never truly stop another story of a mass shooting and how the n.r.a. is more interested in saving profits than saving lives. and we begin tonight with occupy wall street during the heyday of the occupy movement last year if you were lucky enough to walk through one of the encampments as i was frequently here at occupy d.c. here to see a community built as an example of what our nation should be striving for you would have seen health care provided for free no for profit health insurance leeches looking to squeeze as much money as they can out of family caring for a sick child you also want to see education provided for free and healthy food provided for free and shelter provided for free see when it comes to basic essentials the for profit motive. wa
cliff negotiations but given that he and democrats have put everything they can on the table and republicans still won't compromise what hope is there in striking a deal that doesn't leave the middle class high and dry and later the fuels for newtown connecticut victims may have finally ended but unfortunately funerals for gun victims in america never truly stop another story of a mass shooting and how the n.r.a. is more interested in saving profits than saving lives. and we begin tonight with...
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deal aimed at at least portions of the fiscal cliff on overting tax hikes on middle income americas. they're still vague about delaying across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. stay with msnbc for more updates. now back to "hardball." >> let's dig into the turning points of general election. first up, the video that turned out to be the low point for the romney campaign. the candidates taped campaigns that half the americans are lazy. it's known as the 47% video. let's listen again. >> . >> never trust the caterers. anyway, republican national chairman committee man. i say that because i could not have been somebody who paid 1 $10,000 to go 234 there and then hurt the guy. >>> if u you're right about this election, it's the numbers. first of all, they occupy people. 1 pnt. all of the sudden, 1% became the thing to talk about. and then the 47% being anybody who's on any kind of government benefit program. whether it's disability or retirement or military or pension. everything was panted as bad. where did he get that number? >> well, look, you know, this election was all
deal aimed at at least portions of the fiscal cliff on overting tax hikes on middle income americas. they're still vague about delaying across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. stay with msnbc for more updates. now back to "hardball." >> let's dig into the turning points of general election. first up, the video that turned out to be the low point for the romney campaign. the candidates taped campaigns that half the americans are lazy. it's known as the 47% video....
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last minute talks in the final hours of the fiscal cliff talks. we'll follow all of it, msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] every time you say no to a cigarette, you celebrate a little win. nicoderm cq, the patch with time release smart control technology that acts fast and helps control cravings all day long. ♪ quit one day at a time with nicoderm cq. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. >>> right now on capitol hill, senate democrats and republicans are working on a deal to avert the fiscal cliff, but time is running out. they now have less than 30 hours to work it out. if we do go over the fiscal cliff
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i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year. a bill that would have increased the minimum wage, a buffet rule bill, the employment, nondis crimination act that would have prohibited hiring people on the basis of sexual orientation. a u.n. treaty to protect the rights of disabled people around the world and the paycheck famous act so that women don't get paid less than men for doing the same job. i mean, there's been a variety of bills that they have seen not go past. they have actually stopped in a variety of ways that would have helped the american people. >> yeah, and you can throw the violence against women act, reauthoriza
i don't think the fiscal cliff problem hit social security or medicare right away. they kind of sealed that off from se questions ration. but you mentioned unemployment before. there are a variety of other government programs that will be drastically cut back on tuesday morning if we don't get some kind of a deal by monday night. >> you know, ryan, when you look at -- when clarence was talking,ives looking and i think i have it. bills that republicans and congress have blocked this year....
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cliff negotiations. >> our republican colleagues by refusing to go along with revenues are risking the fiscal cliff. >> i think we're going to fall out of the fiscal tree. >> reporter: confidence at a minimum. lawmakers return from their holiday recess on thursday and when they do, they will have their work cut out for them. i'm danielle leigh. veronica. back to you. >> thank you so much. >>> the pentagon says the commanding officer of s.e.a.l. team 4 has died. joe w. price died saturday of what u.s. military officials are calling a non-combat related injury. they tell nbc news his death death is being investigated as a possible suicide. s.e.a.l. team 4 was part of a mission to train local afghan police to combat the taliban. >>> in the meantime, what's being called a possible insider attack, a civilian american advisor was killed by a woman wearing an afghan uniform. at least 53 international troops have been killed by afghan soldiers or police this year. >>> back here at home now, it is crunch time for holiday shoppers. many retailers have expanded hours and stepped up promotions to
cliff negotiations. >> our republican colleagues by refusing to go along with revenues are risking the fiscal cliff. >> i think we're going to fall out of the fiscal tree. >> reporter: confidence at a minimum. lawmakers return from their holiday recess on thursday and when they do, they will have their work cut out for them. i'm danielle leigh. veronica. back to you. >> thank you so much. >>> the pentagon says the commanding officer of s.e.a.l. team 4 has died....
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off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt. that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching haum, the place for politics. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. if by blessed y
off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt. that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching haum, the place for politics. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with...
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i think they'll tell you another story. >> fellow republicans discuss the fiscal cliff deal. sheila jackson from texas was in the room with the democrats. she joins me now. congresswoman. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris, to you, and happy new year to mesh. >> well, i know you ducked out of the meeting, but can you give us a sense of what it was like in that room? >> i certainly can. first of all, let me thank president obama and vice president biden working as a team on behalf of the american people and for showing the extent of patience that they've had to show over these last couple of months and certainly since august of 2011. there's about an a great deal of patience, and i think as the meeting has begun with the vice president he was appropriately respectful of how challenging an effort this was, but more importantly, how important this was for the american people and the trust that was given to him by the president and leader reid to engage with jord leader mcconnell who had heretofore, if you will, joined with the chorus of naysayers not wanting to do figure.
i think they'll tell you another story. >> fellow republicans discuss the fiscal cliff deal. sheila jackson from texas was in the room with the democrats. she joins me now. congresswoman. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris, to you, and happy new year to mesh. >> well, i know you ducked out of the meeting, but can you give us a sense of what it was like in that room? >> i certainly can. first of all, let me thank president obama and vice president biden working as a...
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now, is there a value to kicking the can down the road in avoiding the fiscal cliff? yes. but if they go over the cliff and then fix it in the next week with another stopgap, is there any real harm? who knows. if that make it is easier for republicans to vote for it, is it a disaster? probably not. but understand we had seven weeks in which we could have a done a big deal which would have gotten the debt under control, would have caused the economy to -- it would have been a catalyst to have this economy take off, and we blew it. we blew it. >> you know, governor dean, to that point here we are essentially looking over the abyss of the fiscal cliff, and i know you have said in the past let's just go over the cliff and start from scratch. do you still think that's the way to go? >> i do. actually, i hope they never come to a deal because this is the best deficit reduction package the democrats are ever going to get. but let's look at what really is going to happen here. i would be more surprised if they came to a deal in the next five days than i was by the roberts vote on
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when you look at the fiscal cliff if you think the deficit is the problem, going over the cliff addresses that problem in a big way. >> saying no deal's better than a bad deal. >> once we go over the cliff and i come to the belief we are, we're going to all be asking for a parachute. the markets are going to go to hell in a hand basket and people are going to start screaming bloody murder. >> if the idea that the deficit is the problem, that will be addressed by going over the fiscal cliff. i happen not to think that the deficit is the main problem but it calls people's bluff. >> how in the world is it we can tell our children, you can't give your way up everything, so you and your brother and sister, you better figure it out. it works with my nieces and nephews, but for some reason, if it works in congress, it's a mushy deal or really isn't going to work. i'm sorry, folks, if it works for children. it can work with congress. >> stop the sand box politics. i couldn't agree more. we heard one congressman at the top of the show saying they shouldn't have gone home at christmas. do you think
when you look at the fiscal cliff if you think the deficit is the problem, going over the cliff addresses that problem in a big way. >> saying no deal's better than a bad deal. >> once we go over the cliff and i come to the belief we are, we're going to all be asking for a parachute. the markets are going to go to hell in a hand basket and people are going to start screaming bloody murder. >> if the idea that the deficit is the problem, that will be addressed by going over the...
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i'm richard lui, you're watching msnbc's continuing coverage of the fiscal cliff deal. eric cantor emerging from a meeting saying he does not support the senate-passed bill. house speaker bonn janer is not likely to bring the senate bill to the floor without changes is what we're hearing and in a statement boehner's spokesman said the speaker and leader laid out options to the members and listened to feedback. the lack of spending cuts in the senate bill was our universal concern amongst members in today's meetings. conversations will continue throughout the afternoon on the path forward. outgoing republican congressman steven latourette told nbc's luke russert the senate bill did not stand much of a bill in the house. take a listen. >> i think it's a little unreasonable for senator reid to say that something they produced on new year's eve, produced by a bunch of sleep-deprived octogenarians is what we should adopt within 48 hours. >> laetset's bring in mike viqu. we understand there have been meetings throughout the afternoon. >> reporter: the future of this bill, the
i'm richard lui, you're watching msnbc's continuing coverage of the fiscal cliff deal. eric cantor emerging from a meeting saying he does not support the senate-passed bill. house speaker bonn janer is not likely to bring the senate bill to the floor without changes is what we're hearing and in a statement boehner's spokesman said the speaker and leader laid out options to the members and listened to feedback. the lack of spending cuts in the senate bill was our universal concern amongst...
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♪ >>> back to the fiscal cliff. all but five republican senators voted to pass the bill put together by senator mcconnell and vice president biden last night. among those voting in the affirmative, north dakota's republican senator john hoeven. senator hoeven, thank you for joining me. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris. >> you talked about the possibility for tax reform and social security reform. are you disappointed the senate couldn't come up with a bigger deal? >> i was pushing hard for a big deal that included tax reform, entitlement reform and savings, real savings to get on top of the deficit and the debt. but you know, we can't do the whole thing at once, let's get as much done as we can. we've got to move forward. this is a big step on the tax piece. more work to do. we've got to get after it. >> you're one of just a handful of congressional republicans who did not sign the norquist antitax pledge, but do you think that the fact that we technically went over the cliff gives house republicans who have
♪ >>> back to the fiscal cliff. all but five republican senators voted to pass the bill put together by senator mcconnell and vice president biden last night. among those voting in the affirmative, north dakota's republican senator john hoeven. senator hoeven, thank you for joining me. happy new year. >> happy new year, chris. >> you talked about the possibility for tax reform and social security reform. are you disappointed the senate couldn't come up with a bigger deal?...
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they are waiting to reconvene to take up the fiscal cliff deal. after the gop meeting, we may learn when the house might vote on the deal and when republicans might amend it. house democrats are meeting on capitol hill with vice president joe biden. he is there to explain the deal he and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell brokered and that the senate approved. >>> the white house is keeping a close eye on today's developments in the house. stay with msnbc for more updates. and now back to hardball. >>> two steps forward, one step backward. let's play "hard ball." >> let me start this last night of the year with this, two steps forward, one step forward, that's the year if you look at it. so many good decisions as a society. we saw the angry faces of reaction to demographic change in the beginning. the people bringing guns to political events. the faces of hatred in the birther mularkey. the dog whistling whether it was about the president or his surrogate, susan rice. guess what? none of it worked. it just didn't. who would have known how powe
they are waiting to reconvene to take up the fiscal cliff deal. after the gop meeting, we may learn when the house might vote on the deal and when republicans might amend it. house democrats are meeting on capitol hill with vice president joe biden. he is there to explain the deal he and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell brokered and that the senate approved. >>> the white house is keeping a close eye on today's developments in the house. stay with msnbc for more updates. and now...
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even though republicans and democrats have agreed on a plan for tax rates as one part of the fiscal cliff negotiations, there will be no vote on such a plan in the house tonight. the lower chamber has adjourned until tomorrow at noon. but over in the senate, lawmakers say they could see a vote on that agreement some time before morning. >> i think there is going to be an attempt to try to bring this to the floor this evening. and so you're probably talking several hours before it would come to the floor. but i think they're going to do that decision. >> senator corker was echoed by senator tom coburn of oklahoma who explained why after weeks of no movement in congress there is a sudden push to get a deal done. here is with cnbc's larry kudlow. >> let me ask you, sir. do you think tonight there will be a senate vote on some kind of deal? >> well, i think there should be very late tonight or early in the a.m., even if this gets enacted in the next couple of days, it's all going to be retroactive to january 1st. but the very point of it is when you have a deal of this nature, you need to get
even though republicans and democrats have agreed on a plan for tax rates as one part of the fiscal cliff negotiations, there will be no vote on such a plan in the house tonight. the lower chamber has adjourned until tomorrow at noon. but over in the senate, lawmakers say they could see a vote on that agreement some time before morning. >> i think there is going to be an attempt to try to bring this to the floor this evening. and so you're probably talking several hours before it would...
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fiscal cliff standoff. take a listen. >> congress has not been able to get this stuff done, not because democrats in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate, but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> how accountable are you for the fact that washington can't get anything done and that we are at this deadline again? >> i have to tell you, david, if you look at my track record over the last two years, i cut spending by over $1 trillion in 2011. i negotiated with speaker boehner in good faith and moved more than halfway in order to achieve a grand bargain. i offered over $1 trillion in additional spending cuts. at a certain point if folks can't say yes to good offers, then i also have an obligation to the american people. >> michael steele, some republicans were quick to criticize the president's tone. speaker boehner res
fiscal cliff standoff. take a listen. >> congress has not been able to get this stuff done, not because democrats in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate, but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> how accountable are you for the fact that washington can't get anything done and that we are at...
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government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international, who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary clinton is hospitalized with a blood clot, we examine their causes and possible treatments. >> suarez: margaret warner talks to jonathan martin and glenn thrush of politico. their new e-book focuses on the crucial final month of the presidential race between barack obama and mitt romney. test. >> barack obama didn't perform that well until late and romney didn't perform the campaign well. campaign management is more important than an individual candidate's performance. >> woodruff: from boston, hari sreenivasan reports on a city- wide effort to keep kids engaged in education through meaningful work experiences. >> w
government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international, who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary...
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. ♪ >>> house republicans staged a new year's day revolt against the senate bill to avoid the fiscal cliff. good evening. i'm richard lui. you're watching the standoff in washington, d.c. the house gop is meeting at this hour for the second time today. leadership and members are discussing how to move forward on a bill they say need to include spending cuts. house speaker john boehner and eric cantor arrived at the meeting together. but it was cantor who set off the storm earlier today just hours ago by announcing he could not support the senate bill that was approved this morning at 2:00 a.m. house democratic leader nancy pelosi attempted to put pressure on tonight. she posted this on twitter saying quote, strong majority of house democrats support the bipartisan senate bill that passed 89-8. confident it will pass and speaker boehner allows an up or down vote. and republicans like congressman jack kingston of georgia blame the senate for a hastily written bill. >> it was way past those senators' bedtime. they were blurry eyed when they were reading it. we're trying to fill in the g
. ♪ >>> house republicans staged a new year's day revolt against the senate bill to avoid the fiscal cliff. good evening. i'm richard lui. you're watching the standoff in washington, d.c. the house gop is meeting at this hour for the second time today. leadership and members are discussing how to move forward on a bill they say need to include spending cuts. house speaker john boehner and eric cantor arrived at the meeting together. but it was cantor who set off the storm earlier...
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. >>> breaking news, house republicans have just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff deal worked out by vice president joe biden and senate m minority leader mitch mcconnell. the deal which passed overnight will see income taxes rise on individuals making over $450,000 a year, and families making over $550,000 a year. let's listen in now as house democrats speak. >> caucus meeting which -- in which the vice president not only roused the entire membership, but also gave us a very thoughtful and detailed explanation of what's gone on, and how it was that he and the president working with the democratic and republican leaders in both houses were able to come together on this compromise. we first want to say thank you to the vice president for being so gracious. quite honestly, so frank in his conversation with us in explaining as much as he could about what's transpired over the last several weeks. we now are waiting to hear from our republican colleagues, whether or not they want to do what the senate did in a very bipartisan fashion and give the men people an opportunity to
. >>> breaking news, house republicans have just wrapped up a meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff deal worked out by vice president joe biden and senate m minority leader mitch mcconnell. the deal which passed overnight will see income taxes rise on individuals making over $450,000 a year, and families making over $550,000 a year. let's listen in now as house democrats speak. >> caucus meeting which -- in which the vice president not only roused the entire membership, but also...
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he thinks the republicans are holding him hostage now on the fiscal cliff. he may be wrong but that's his view. they are going to fight that out. but i saw a very frustrated president who is saying guys, we're now after talking about a big deal that would help the markets, help the american people we have scaled it back to something small and you can't even get that done. he is very angry. visibly frustrated, harris. >> harris: we have been seeing the news being broken on this friday for almost 12 hours on this as the news warrants. ed, we may see you again this hour. thank you. >> i look forward to it. >> harris: senate leaders now say they are entering last-minute talks over the weekend to avert the fiscal cliff. so now it goes to the senate. we will go live to capitol hill at the bottom of the hour as again the focus will shift those senators to get a deal done. all of this having some effect on wall street. the markets finishing in the red for the fifth straight day. the dow sank 158 points, triple digits in trading today. closing below 13,000 for the fi
he thinks the republicans are holding him hostage now on the fiscal cliff. he may be wrong but that's his view. they are going to fight that out. but i saw a very frustrated president who is saying guys, we're now after talking about a big deal that would help the markets, help the american people we have scaled it back to something small and you can't even get that done. he is very angry. visibly frustrated, harris. >> harris: we have been seeing the news being broken on this friday for...
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government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary clinton is hospitalized with a blood clot, we examine their causes and possible treatments. >> suarez: margaret warner talks to jonathan martin and glenn thrush of politico. their new e-book focuses on the crucial final month of the presidential race between barack obama and mitt romney. test. >> barack obama didn't perform that well until late and romney didn't perform the campaign well. campaign management is more important than an individual candidate's performance. >> woodruff: from boston, hari sreenivasan reports on a city- wide effort to keep kids engaged in education through meaningful work experiences. >> we
government is going over the fiscal cliff, even as senate republicans and the white house reported progress had been made, but house republicans say they will not vote on anything tonight. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> suarez: and i'm ray suarez. on the newshour tonight, we have the latest on today's developments, including an update from todd zwillich of public radio international who's been tracking the story on the hill. >> woodruff: then, as secretary of state hillary...
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50s on the fiscal cliff. they don't want to give up things. they don't want to give up cuts to medicare or social security in order to get a deal that may not be best for them. if you look at game theory, you know, economic and political game theory, if all the players understand the strategies of the other players and act rationally, sometimes they won't move off the strategy that they are on. >> should americans have optimist about this 3:00 meeting this afternoon at the white house or basically it's humpty-dumpty, we're going off the wall, we're going to break, but we can be put back together. >> it doesn't mean they won't get an agreement on the phone, but i don't remember any high-plo file white house meeting producing anything other than leaked stories about how one leader told the other leader how tough he is and how weak the other guy is. these are, generally speaking made for optics, so we talk about it. >>> jonathan allen, great to see you, thank for your time. >> my pleasure. >>> we talked in the l
50s on the fiscal cliff. they don't want to give up things. they don't want to give up cuts to medicare or social security in order to get a deal that may not be best for them. if you look at game theory, you know, economic and political game theory, if all the players understand the strategies of the other players and act rationally, sometimes they won't move off the strategy that they are on. >> should americans have optimist about this 3:00 meeting this afternoon at the white house or...
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he also referenced the impending fiscal cliff, which threatens to derail the economy if a compromise can't be reached by next week on those big unanswered issues. with both sides locked in the standoff, house republicans are calling on senate democrats to act first. democrats aren't budging much on their demands. they want to extend tax cuts and incomes below $250,000, prolong unemployment benefits, and delay those sweeping spending cuts. sam stein. >> yes. >> what happens in -- and it appears it will happen -- we go off the fiscal cliff for a few days? >> not much, is my understanding. kwb, over time, it will have much more of an impact, and it's unknown exactly what the market's psyche will do with respect to the government's inability to come together. with respect to the tax hikes, it won't be as bad as the rhetoric is suggesting early on. whether it's enough to actually get people to get back to the negotiating table -- because i agree with you, i think we're going to go over that deadline, that's the big question. what kind of political ramifications it will have. it's not as i
he also referenced the impending fiscal cliff, which threatens to derail the economy if a compromise can't be reached by next week on those big unanswered issues. with both sides locked in the standoff, house republicans are calling on senate democrats to act first. democrats aren't budging much on their demands. they want to extend tax cuts and incomes below $250,000, prolong unemployment benefits, and delay those sweeping spending cuts. sam stein. >> yes. >> what happens in -- and...
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those voices have been buried behind the simplicity of a fiscal cliff. the press loves a deadline. >> the press loves a deadline and loves colorful language like fiscal cliff. thanks for joining us. >>> at the top of the hour, state of the union has republican reaction to the president's interview on "meet the press." did we really need to go haywire over david petraeus? mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question. it takes a long time to pack a bowling ball. the last guy pitched more ball packers. but you... you consulted ups. you found a better way. that's logistics. that's margin. find out what else ups knows. i'll do that. you're on a roll. that's funny. i wasn't being funny, bob. i know. i need you. i feel so alone. but you're not alone. i knew you'd come. like i could stay away. you know i can't do this without you. you'll never have to. you're always there for me. shh! i'll get you a rental car. i could also use an umbrella. fall in love wi
those voices have been buried behind the simplicity of a fiscal cliff. the press loves a deadline. >> the press loves a deadline and loves colorful language like fiscal cliff. thanks for joining us. >>> at the top of the hour, state of the union has republican reaction to the president's interview on "meet the press." did we really need to go haywire over david petraeus? mr. margin? don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and...
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to avoid the fiscal cliff and deal with the deficit in a balanced way. in fact, as we know, republicans like tom cole, a very conservative member from oklahoma, and others have said that that approach makes sense. and yet the speaker refuses to allow a vote on that proposal. and so allow democracy to work and so far unfortunately, speaker boehner has been held captive with the tea party wing of the republicans in the house, which voted down his own proposal just about a week ago, because he said, well, we should ask folks making over $1 million to pay more. his caucus said no. so what we're saying is, let the whole house, democrats and republicans, vote on the president's proposal. let democracy work its will. worst case scenario is that would be defeated. but you don't know until you hold a vote in the house of representatives. that's how democracy is supposed to work. it's not supposed to allow a small, extreme group within the republican caucus to dictate terms to the country. >> there is some indication from the hill that the call to bring vice presi
to avoid the fiscal cliff and deal with the deficit in a balanced way. in fact, as we know, republicans like tom cole, a very conservative member from oklahoma, and others have said that that approach makes sense. and yet the speaker refuses to allow a vote on that proposal. and so allow democracy to work and so far unfortunately, speaker boehner has been held captive with the tea party wing of the republicans in the house, which voted down his own proposal just about a week ago, because he...
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cliff deal continued, but house republican leaders opted not to vote on anything tonight. that meant the government will >> the house adjourned for tomorrow so the government is guaranteed to go over the fiscal cliff, at least for the moment. and doctors at a new york hospital announced secretary of state hillary clinton has a blood clot between the school and brain. but they said she's making excellent progress. we're capturing new year's eve celebrations around the world and you can be a part of kwame holman has the details. >> holman: we're tracking instagram with the hashtag "nye" to see how people around the world are ringing in 2013. tag yours tonight to be a part of our interactive map. on "ask larry," our social security sage offers tips on maximizing benefits for you and your spouse. and from our partners at kaiser health news, what the new health care law says about gun ownership. all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. ray? >> suarez: and that's the newshour for tonight. on tuesday, we have an update on the ongoing recovery efforts in the devasta
cliff deal continued, but house republican leaders opted not to vote on anything tonight. that meant the government will >> the house adjourned for tomorrow so the government is guaranteed to go over the fiscal cliff, at least for the moment. and doctors at a new york hospital announced secretary of state hillary clinton has a blood clot between the school and brain. but they said she's making excellent progress. we're capturing new year's eve celebrations around the world and you can be...
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now he's got the fiscal cliff. blame the republicans. and the truth is, in the short-term, the g.o.p. gets the blame. and they deserve it a little bit. but in the long-term, things change. stuart: you are a republican strategist. why do you say that republicans deserve some of the blame short-term? >> well, they deserve it the same way everyone in washington deserves it. no one in washington is incentiveized to think about the long-term. everyone is thinking about the short-term. by the way we see this in the private sector as well where companies think about, you know, the next quarter and never think about the long-term. the problem is the government gets to kick this can down the road endlessly and it is our cans they are kicking. stuart: if you are a republican and you see a bad policy coming down the pike at you, and you're supposed to compromise with it, namely, raising tax rates on the rich, should you do that just to get along with the other side? just to get a deal? just to get some compromise? or should you stick with the princ
now he's got the fiscal cliff. blame the republicans. and the truth is, in the short-term, the g.o.p. gets the blame. and they deserve it a little bit. but in the long-term, things change. stuart: you are a republican strategist. why do you say that republicans deserve some of the blame short-term? >> well, they deserve it the same way everyone in washington deserves it. no one in washington is incentiveized to think about the long-term. everyone is thinking about the short-term. by the...
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what is the threshold that republicans are willing to take to avert the fiscal cliff. there's their 400,000. so everyone who makes $400,000 their taxes would stay the same. would that be acceptable. if there is no deal to be reached we do know that harry reid will try to move forward on monday with the bill for those making $250,000 or below. so that's what we need to see how it will work there. there are types of sweeteners they can do. mitch mcconnell is a tough place and this is the underreported part of the story. he has to figure out a deal that gets through the senate and doesn't make john boehner look too bad in the house and there are a lot of conservatives in the house that don't want to do any type of deal that would raise taxes on anybody even though they'll go up on the entire country the first tax hike in 20 years after monday night. >> and one would also assume that mitch mcconnell would have to back a grant, he could face a primary fight if this thing -- >> you touched on one of the great sub plots of these entire negotiations is personal things that boe
what is the threshold that republicans are willing to take to avert the fiscal cliff. there's their 400,000. so everyone who makes $400,000 their taxes would stay the same. would that be acceptable. if there is no deal to be reached we do know that harry reid will try to move forward on monday with the bill for those making $250,000 or below. so that's what we need to see how it will work there. there are types of sweeteners they can do. mitch mcconnell is a tough place and this is the...
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is the most important meeting of the entire fiscal cliff saga. why and what can we expect to happen? >> it's the most important meeting, mara, because there is a chance, not saying it's a great chance, but a very -- it is very alive if you will that this bill could be struck down. the house republican conference is not totally sold on it. why? some conservative outside groups are against it. a lot of folks in the house republican caucus come from republican districts and are always worried about a primary challenger. speaker boehner, eric cantor have not been overly supportive so far. they reserve the right to amend it. there are three options. we could all hold hands and jump off into the deep end together. that would be the house republican conference approving of this bill, at least enough of them joining the democrats to move it forward. you could also see house republicans try to amend it. that's what tom cole is talking about on your air. he doesn't think that would happen and doesn't want that to happen but it certainly is a possibility if
is the most important meeting of the entire fiscal cliff saga. why and what can we expect to happen? >> it's the most important meeting, mara, because there is a chance, not saying it's a great chance, but a very -- it is very alive if you will that this bill could be struck down. the house republican conference is not totally sold on it. why? some conservative outside groups are against it. a lot of folks in the house republican caucus come from republican districts and are always...
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this is again where the republicans have the majority and as we've been seeing with the fiscal cliff there is not a lot of wiggle room. we're going to have to see compromise. the last immigration reformabout in 1986 took both republicans and democrats working together. it can't be just a democratic lift. >> thank you victoria defrancesco soto. this is something we'll be watching over the next two to four years. >> and coming up, the controversy over keeping fast food chains open on christmas. i, it has to work. ♪ make just one someone happy and when it's a toys for tots child, well, what could be more important? so this year, every hasbro toy donated to toys for tots will be powered by duracell. happy holidays. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. >>> a happy meal for a happy holiday? well, mcdonnell's holds so. it's pushing its franchises to stay open despite a long tradition of giving its employees a break for the holiday. now some workers and customers are pushing back on that possibility. joining us now, jonathan weston of fast food forward, a group working to u.n.ize fa
this is again where the republicans have the majority and as we've been seeing with the fiscal cliff there is not a lot of wiggle room. we're going to have to see compromise. the last immigration reformabout in 1986 took both republicans and democrats working together. it can't be just a democratic lift. >> thank you victoria defrancesco soto. this is something we'll be watching over the next two to four years. >> and coming up, the controversy over keeping fast food chains open on...
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going over the fiscal cliff. he promoezed that we don't tax -- no tax increase until $400,000, instead of $250,000. he proposed -- he said he would be willing to go with the republican demands for entitlement cuts cutting colas on social security which i think is obnoxious and will not vote for under any circumstances. he made a lot of concessions, too many. the republicans showed, though, when they voted against cutting taxes for 99.8% of americans, because they wouldn't allow taxes to go up for people above $1 million, they showed that it's very difficult to do business this w them. >> you said the president made too many concessions. >> i think so. >> were you more a fan of the $250,000 and less than that or -- >> i'm more of a fan of the $250,000 but mainly, mainly i would not vote for a nickel in -- under any circumstances for a nickel in cuts to social security benefits. >> so when we look at that and there are those on the right that say i won't vote for a nickel in revenue and then you coming on saying i
going over the fiscal cliff. he promoezed that we don't tax -- no tax increase until $400,000, instead of $250,000. he proposed -- he said he would be willing to go with the republican demands for entitlement cuts cutting colas on social security which i think is obnoxious and will not vote for under any circumstances. he made a lot of concessions, too many. the republicans showed, though, when they voted against cutting taxes for 99.8% of americans, because they wouldn't allow taxes to go up...
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so that they're not giving up what the tax revenue could be from the fiscal cliff, in order to just let the republicans take a big chunk out of social security and medicare and without having to compromise further. >> what do you think about the fact that the house left for the night and will be back at noon tomorrow? but the senate really decided to stick this out. whether they vote or not, they're writing the bill right now. what was their incentive to stick around and try to hammer this thing tonight? >> well, for one thing, when they actually finish it tonight, they can leave. i think there is a desire, certainly among vice president joe biden and minority leader mcconnell and majority leader reid, to show they can do this. in this area, there is a center of leading, the senate likes that they can actually get it done. if they can get it done tonight on the eve of of the fiscal cliff, they can actually say they were able to get it done before we went over the cliff. that they were not so deeply, deeply irresponsible that they actually let us go over the cliff, to hammer a deal out.
so that they're not giving up what the tax revenue could be from the fiscal cliff, in order to just let the republicans take a big chunk out of social security and medicare and without having to compromise further. >> what do you think about the fact that the house left for the night and will be back at noon tomorrow? but the senate really decided to stick this out. whether they vote or not, they're writing the bill right now. what was their incentive to stick around and try to hammer...
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two hours after america went off the fiscal cliff, vice president biden came to the capitol to sell the fix he worked out with gop leader mitch mcconnell to spoke for senate republicans. >> we don't think taxes should be going up on anyone. but we all knew if we did nothing, they'd be going up on everyone. >> reporter: the senate voted to reverse today's tax hikes on 98% of americans. but to keep the higher rate on families making over $450,000, president obama took credit for breaking 20 years of gop opposition to tax hikes. >> keep in mind that just last month, republicans in congress said they would never agree to raise tax rates on the wealthiewealthi est americans. >> middle class families will wake up today to the assurance their taxes won't go up $2,200 each. >> reporter: not so fast. house speaker john boehner and his gop lawmakers might not go along. boehner sent house members home to celebrate the new year without a vote to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> listen, this is disgusting. and everybody involved should be embarrassed. >> reporter: the economy could still take a hit. while
two hours after america went off the fiscal cliff, vice president biden came to the capitol to sell the fix he worked out with gop leader mitch mcconnell to spoke for senate republicans. >> we don't think taxes should be going up on anyone. but we all knew if we did nothing, they'd be going up on everyone. >> reporter: the senate voted to reverse today's tax hikes on 98% of americans. but to keep the higher rate on families making over $450,000, president obama took credit for...
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we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have got to meet this deny. now what we're hearing, it is not that bad, we have time. >> what jessica said about the term paper, getting it done in time. you know what happens if you don't get it done in time? you get an f. and a lot of american voters are going to say an "f" to all the politicians if they don't get it done. look, i don't think it would be the end of the world if we go off the fiscal cliff. and it think it would be resolved in the weeks ahead. but this is kind of a black eye for the political system. here we are, two or three days ahead from the start of the year. without any american business investor, or worker, this just is not a very good way to run a country. and it is almost like banana republic politics. >> my dad used to say, no way to run a railroad. or government. let's talk about a couple of things, the whole idea that tax rates on everyone will go up. does the irs or the treasury department have the ability to sort of say look, here is some guidance? keep withholding where it is? >>
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with them right now the fiscal cliff is coming and we're all going to shoot off the fiscal cliff like thelma and louise and we're holding hands with grover norquist and everybody's crying mostly because the lose in the sixty six thunderbird to the grand canyon but the republicans even though they lost the election even though they lost seats in the house and lost seats in the senate they still refused to negotiate and they're being held hostage by their far right wing and that hasn't changed and it might might change next year but i don't i don't think so and loose with what about the polarization let's say in france right now after the election because the sitting president is not very popular right now. it's complicated because you you get a kind of windshield wiper effect in france you get one we can which the president sporty and the president himself are doing extremely badly for instance you have the steel works. with mr lakshmi mittal the fact that basically the president and the prime minister the minister for industry all had different theories about what to do and how to try
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to be going over the fiscal cliff. but for you, what's -- what sort of your cut-off point where you think that this gets to the point where the implications for the economy are extremely serious? >> well, i think we need to not -- we've got to stop with the artificial deadlines and i mean this is serious. it's been serious for months. we need to come together. president obama has a $4 trillion deal on the table that would be balanced in terms of increasing the tax rates on the wealthiest americans. significant spending cuts and has even proposed more -- several hundred billion in entitlement savings. if we can come together and put together a balanced agreement, then we can avoid this. and move on to focusing on the job creation and getting the economy turned around that we should all be working together towards. >> but whatever happens, would it be fair to say that you've got much bigger fish to fry, so to speak, in the new year? i mean, it's not going to be the grand bargain. there's going to be a lot of talk of enti
to be going over the fiscal cliff. but for you, what's -- what sort of your cut-off point where you think that this gets to the point where the implications for the economy are extremely serious? >> well, i think we need to not -- we've got to stop with the artificial deadlines and i mean this is serious. it's been serious for months. we need to come together. president obama has a $4 trillion deal on the table that would be balanced in terms of increasing the tax rates on the wealthiest...
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to work, another sign of inaction on the fiscal cliff front. joining me now for our daily fix, mr. jonathan capehart, msnbc contributor and "washington post" editorial writer. jonathan, we're just six days away, no indication from house republicans that they are going to come back any time soon. the leadership has gone mum on that. we know there's not been communication between boehner and mcconnell, obama and boehner. are you amazed with this short amount of time to go there seems to be no sense of urgency on either side? >> am i amazed, given what we went through with the debt ceiling, no, i'm not amazed. i think there are forces here in this town that would like for us, sure people would like for there to be a deal, but going over the cliff on january 1st when there's this notion where it's not really a cliff, it's a slope, it's a curb depending who you talk to, that you can repair the damage if you get a deal done, you know, a few days after january 3rd. i think people feel like they can slow walk. as we saw last week when plan b failed, yo
to work, another sign of inaction on the fiscal cliff front. joining me now for our daily fix, mr. jonathan capehart, msnbc contributor and "washington post" editorial writer. jonathan, we're just six days away, no indication from house republicans that they are going to come back any time soon. the leadership has gone mum on that. we know there's not been communication between boehner and mcconnell, obama and boehner. are you amazed with this short amount of time to go there seems to...
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a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen the piece of legislation move forward, the specifics. as you look live, vice president biden walked into the democratic caucus meeting there just beyond where the reporters are standing there by the microphones and said happy new year, happy new year, isn't it great that you all are here tonight. so what about this deal that is shaping up? the house will not be taking it up tonight. they have adjourned for the night and they will reconvene in 2013. actually you noon tomorrow the house will come back. essentially the u.s. will go over the fiscal cliff. but what about this deal that is shaping up and
a senior democratic source saying the white house has a deal with republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff. a deal in the senate. however, there are still some questions about senate democrats which is why vice president biden s now and capitol hill we are told by sources to essentially get some of the liberal democrats to sign on to the deal avoiding the fiscal cliff. as you look live at the capitol dome, the light on top of the dome is lit because the congress s in session. but we haven't seen...